Comments on: Achieving left wrist supination in the golf swing (Drill) http://www.zenchili.com/2010/02/01/achieving-left-wrist-supination-golf-swing-drill/ For any golfer who wants to play great golf Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:24:08 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Alex http://www.zenchili.com/2010/02/01/achieving-left-wrist-supination-golf-swing-drill/comment-page-1/#comment-10601 Alex Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:24:08 +0000 http://www.zenchili.com/?p=644#comment-10601 Supination happens as a result of the whole package rotating towards the left. If you don't get to your left quick enough, this is impossible. Also, without a weak grip (the correct one), it's impossible. Last thing, if you don't let the free ride happen BEHIND YOU, you have no a chance at achieving this position. Supination happens as a result of the whole package rotating towards the left. If you don’t get to your left quick enough, this is impossible. Also, without a weak grip (the correct one), it’s impossible. Last thing, if you don’t let the free ride happen BEHIND YOU, you have no a chance at achieving this position.

]]> By: mikeyt http://www.zenchili.com/2010/02/01/achieving-left-wrist-supination-golf-swing-drill/comment-page-1/#comment-7547 mikeyt Sun, 11 Dec 2011 16:41:17 +0000 http://www.zenchili.com/?p=644#comment-7547 @persimonpete hi pete i was practicing delibrately supinating my wrist on the downswing today at the range and the positions it produces in my downswing are getting closer to hogans beautiful positions. do you think this supination also causes his dramatic flattening on the downswing? i am trying to get into that flat position on the downswing but am struggling. the hips turning and weight shift to the left as the first move is not doing it for me. @persimonpete
hi pete i was practicing delibrately supinating my wrist on the downswing today at the range and the positions it produces in my downswing are getting closer to hogans beautiful positions. do you think this supination also causes his dramatic flattening on the downswing? i am trying to get into that flat position on the downswing but am struggling. the hips turning and weight shift to the left as the first move is not doing it for me.

]]> By: Dave http://www.zenchili.com/2010/02/01/achieving-left-wrist-supination-golf-swing-drill/comment-page-1/#comment-1177 Dave Tue, 25 Jan 2011 05:31:59 +0000 http://www.zenchili.com/?p=644#comment-1177 Like Zen, I returned to golf about three years ago, playing with my Dad's 1963 Hogan's. Beautiful persimmon woods, well-balanced 2-9 iron and Hogan's sand wedge. A year ago, I bought Adams up and down the line - 460cc driver. 3/4/5 a4os hybrids and Watson's lob wedge. All with graphite reg flex shafts. That move improved my h-cap by ten stokes to 20. I am obsessive-compulsive about achieving scratch now. 600-800 balls Sat...same on Sunday. And my obsession is now focusing on my wrists. Frankly, after first five readings of Five Fundamentals, I did not get the pronation-supination thing. About three months ago, I tried something different - I virtually completely relaxed my grip and let my wrists hinge with minimal wrist muscle movement. And I find that wrist hinge position throughout backswing, downswing and impact is govved well with two swing thoughts - on backswing, take the hands directly backward from the aim point. Keep the hands low- directly below the shoulders at address and maintain that 'crook' while making the backswing shoulder turn. Immediately upon starting the backswing, slowly start lagging the club. When the club is parallel to ground, the toe of the club should be pointing vertical. Continue the turn, increasing lag and maintaining pronation. At the top of the backswing, delay for a moment (I chant "Hogan"when I do this) before starting the backswing. The lag naturally increases a bit during the delay and into the start of the downswing. I find that if I concentrate too much on starting hip turn first, I end up losing my spine angle and bobbing my head. So, I concentrate on keeping my head steady while the downswing is initiated by gravity. I allow my arms, hips and shoulders to turn simulatneously and without any 'big muscle' initiation. The natural torsion built up in the shoulder/hip turn starts to uncurl my body. Every time I try to lead with my hips I end up overpowering my downswing - forcing either an open face slice at impact or a closed face duck hook. So, my swing though on initiation of the downswing is to let gravity and torsion do the work while focusing on minimizing wrist hinge on the down/foreswing and avoiding the tendnency to look up before impact. I do this and the pronation/supination thing happens more naturally with me. Result is less fade/draw and more consistent directional accuracy. I lose a bit of power, but I'll trade the extra ten yards for the greater accuracy I need now in my quest for scratch. Like Zen, I returned to golf about three years ago, playing with my Dad’s 1963 Hogan’s. Beautiful persimmon woods, well-balanced 2-9 iron and Hogan’s sand wedge. A year ago, I bought Adams up and down the line – 460cc driver. 3/4/5 a4os hybrids and Watson’s lob wedge. All with graphite reg flex shafts. That move improved my h-cap by ten stokes to 20. I am obsessive-compulsive about achieving scratch now. 600-800 balls Sat…same on Sunday. And my obsession is now focusing on my wrists. Frankly, after first five readings of Five Fundamentals, I did not get the pronation-supination thing. About three months ago, I tried something different – I virtually completely relaxed my grip and let my wrists hinge with minimal wrist muscle movement. And I find that wrist hinge position throughout backswing, downswing and impact is govved well with two swing thoughts – on backswing, take the hands directly backward from the aim point. Keep the hands low- directly below the shoulders at address and maintain that ‘crook’ while making the backswing shoulder turn. Immediately upon starting the backswing, slowly start lagging the club. When the club is parallel to ground, the toe of the club should be pointing vertical. Continue the turn, increasing lag and maintaining pronation. At the top of the backswing, delay for a moment (I chant “Hogan”when I do this) before starting the backswing. The lag naturally increases a bit during the delay and into the start of the downswing. I find that if I concentrate too much on starting hip turn first, I end up losing my spine angle and bobbing my head. So, I concentrate on keeping my head steady while the downswing is initiated by gravity. I allow my arms, hips and shoulders to turn simulatneously and without any ‘big muscle’ initiation. The natural torsion built up in the shoulder/hip turn starts to uncurl my body. Every time I try to lead with my hips I end up overpowering my downswing – forcing either an open face slice at impact or a closed face duck hook. So, my swing though on initiation of the downswing is to let gravity and torsion do the work while focusing on minimizing wrist hinge on the down/foreswing and avoiding the tendnency to look up before impact. I do this and the pronation/supination thing happens more naturally with me. Result is less fade/draw and more consistent directional accuracy. I lose a bit of power, but I’ll trade the extra ten yards for the greater accuracy I need now in my quest for scratch.

]]> By: persimonpete http://www.zenchili.com/2010/02/01/achieving-left-wrist-supination-golf-swing-drill/comment-page-1/#comment-1145 persimonpete Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0000 http://www.zenchili.com/?p=644#comment-1145 Thanks for your reply. For me and again please dont be offended,your article and many many that i have read over the years are an issue. Understanding and interpreting the written word is a minefield .And im afraid this goes right back to Mr Hogans 5 fudermentals where he said that he (and HE being the operative word) started the down swing by turning his hips back to the left. I have know problems with that at all,you can see that when you watch him swing . However when you read his book it is easy to believe that once you have initiated the downswing by turning the hips back to the left,that everything will fall into place.Sadley that Is not the case.The picture you show from hogans book where the palm goes from facing down through supination at impact and then to palm facing up after impact is NOT a natural progressive movement far from it. Infact it is a very unatural movement, The natural movement is for the hand is to pronate and collapse just after impact leaving the golfer with an inconsistant strike,ball flight tradjectory and direction,the reason for this is that it is totally reliant on timing. Time it right you get a half reasonable shot ,get it wrong the ball can go any where as all bad golfers know. Now in that picture sequence Mr Hogan SHOWS and TELLS us what happens to his hands through impact,what he does NOT tell us, is HOW he achieves it.If there is a SECRET it lies there in because as natural as it looks it is manufactured and once mastered the reward is the consistancy we all crave .The good news is ,that with the correct instruction,hard work and dedication it can be learnt.When you have learnt it you then begin to understand its implications and how it turned Mr Hogans fortunes around. Thanks Persi Thanks for your reply. For me and again please dont be offended,your article and many many that i have read over the years are an issue. Understanding and interpreting the written word is a minefield .And im afraid this goes right back to Mr Hogans 5 fudermentals where he said that he (and HE being the operative word) started the down swing by turning his hips back to the left. I have know problems with that at all,you can see that when you watch him swing . However when you read his book it is easy to believe that once you have initiated the downswing by turning the hips back to the left,that everything will fall into place.Sadley that Is not the case.The picture you show from hogans book where the palm goes from facing down through supination at impact and then to palm facing up after impact is NOT a natural progressive movement far from it. Infact it is a very unatural movement, The natural movement is for the hand is to pronate and collapse just after impact leaving the golfer with an inconsistant strike,ball flight tradjectory and direction,the reason for this is that it is totally reliant on timing. Time it right you get a half reasonable shot ,get it wrong the ball can go any where as all bad golfers know.
Now in that picture sequence Mr Hogan SHOWS and TELLS us what happens to his hands through impact,what he does NOT tell us, is HOW he achieves it.If there is a SECRET it lies there in because as natural as it looks it is manufactured and once mastered the reward is the consistancy we all crave .The good news is ,that with the correct instruction,hard work and dedication it can be learnt.When you have learnt it you then begin to understand its implications and how it turned Mr Hogans fortunes around.
Thanks
Persi

]]> By: Zen Chili http://www.zenchili.com/2010/02/01/achieving-left-wrist-supination-golf-swing-drill/comment-page-1/#comment-1142 Zen Chili Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:32:59 +0000 http://www.zenchili.com/?p=644#comment-1142 @persimonpete: Hi Pete, I appreciate your feedback and I do agree with you. You are right that supination is not only created by the turn of the hips to the left. That alone would be silly. What I'm saying in the post though (written back in February) still makes sense to me which is that you don't use the small muscles to force the supination. It will happen if everything else is working in sync. In other words as the hips turn left and get out of the way, it allows a full release. I can also achieve the supination without fully turning my hips left but the motion feels cramped and constrained and robbed of its power and feels like it requires more manipulation of the hands to make it happen. Fully turning the hips left allows me to achieve the supination without forcing the hands into the action. In other words it feels more natural. @persimonpete:

Hi Pete,

I appreciate your feedback and I do agree with you.

You are right that supination is not only created by the turn of the hips to the left. That alone would be silly. What I’m saying in the post though (written back in February) still makes sense to me which is that you don’t use the small muscles to force the supination. It will happen if everything else is working in sync. In other words as the hips turn left and get out of the way, it allows a full release. I can also achieve the supination without fully turning my hips left but the motion feels cramped and constrained and robbed of its power and feels like it requires more manipulation of the hands to make it happen. Fully turning the hips left allows me to achieve the supination without forcing the hands into the action. In other words it feels more natural.

]]> By: persimonpete http://www.zenchili.com/2010/02/01/achieving-left-wrist-supination-golf-swing-drill/comment-page-1/#comment-1141 persimonpete Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:27:55 +0000 http://www.zenchili.com/?p=644#comment-1141 im sorry to say this but your idea that supination happens as a result of turning your hips back to the left is complete tosh. i can create supination at impact properly.i have studied hogan for 35 years and believe me,the onlly thing that turning your hips to the left does is create more leverage and more power which is great if the clubface is square to the swing line, but as many millions of golfers will tell you your method will result in a slice in most cases.sorry no ofence meant. peter(hogan fanatic) im sorry to say this but your idea that supination happens as a result of turning your hips back to the left is complete tosh. i can create supination at impact properly.i have studied hogan for 35 years and believe me,the onlly thing that turning your hips to the left does is create more leverage and more power which is great if the clubface is square to the swing line, but as many millions of golfers will tell you your method will result in a slice in most cases.sorry no ofence meant. peter(hogan fanatic)

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]]> By: Cian http://www.zenchili.com/2010/02/01/achieving-left-wrist-supination-golf-swing-drill/comment-page-1/#comment-659 Cian Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:46:39 +0000 http://www.zenchili.com/?p=644#comment-659 For those confused as to what you mean by the "large muscles" of the body, the pronators and supinators of your forearms are the key muscles to control the fine elements of this action. A common mistake in this action is that hands dont pass through the ball early enough through the club head. This causes the club not to deloft as expected, making the short go high, and not as far. This is cured by focusing on starting the downswing with the hips, and not over forcing the rotation of the wrists. Or put the ball a half ball back in your stance. Another important issue is not to let your wrists flex, extend, radial deviate or ulnar deviate during the impact portion of the ball. i.e the only action in your wrists when the club head is one foot behind the ball, to one foot infront after impact is supination with the left, and pronation with the right. All other axis are fixed. For those confused as to what you mean by the “large muscles” of the body, the pronators and supinators of your forearms are the key muscles to control the fine elements of this action.

A common mistake in this action is that hands dont pass through the ball early enough through the club head. This causes the club not to deloft as expected, making the short go high, and not as far. This is cured by focusing on starting the downswing with the hips, and not over forcing the rotation of the wrists. Or put the ball a half ball back in your stance.

Another important issue is not to let your wrists flex, extend, radial deviate or ulnar deviate during the impact portion of the ball. i.e the only action in your wrists when the club head is one foot behind the ball, to one foot infront after impact is supination with the left, and pronation with the right. All other axis are fixed.

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