Comments on: Does Ray really want to break 80? http://www.zenchili.com/2010/03/29/ray-break-80/ For any golfer who wants to play great golf Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:24:08 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: KC http://www.zenchili.com/2010/03/29/ray-break-80/comment-page-1/#comment-903 KC Wed, 16 Jun 2010 02:47:38 +0000 http://www.zenchili.com/?p=1034#comment-903 Have only seen bits of the Ray Ramano/Haney project, but if the comments are accurate. Yes, the short game is where you make you scores. I just broke 80, and I went 8 for 10 in the up and down inside 40yds, made 8 of 8 putts inside 10ft, and 29 total putts for the round...All while only averaging 210yds per drive.. Have only seen bits of the Ray Ramano/Haney project, but if the comments are accurate. Yes, the short game is where you make you scores. I just broke 80, and I went 8 for 10 in the up and down inside 40yds, made 8 of 8 putts inside 10ft, and 29 total putts for the round…All while only averaging 210yds per drive..

]]> By: Zen Chili http://www.zenchili.com/2010/03/29/ray-break-80/comment-page-1/#comment-617 Zen Chili Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:48:36 +0000 http://www.zenchili.com/?p=1034#comment-617 @The Truth: Sure, Ray's swing is inconsistent. My question though is whether it requires a complete overhaul or it can be made to work. There are plenty of good players who have a bit of an over the top move, but they know their ball flight, and they use what they have in plotting their strategy around the course. Doing a complete overhaul of the swing is a bit counter productive. It takes away from the focus of scoring and it becomes about the swing. It takes a while to get used to a new swing with incremental changes, much longer for whole revamp, and it takes away time from learning to manage the course better and of course improve short game. Ray needs his swing to get to the point where he can be reasonably sure of where his ball is going, then he plot his way around the course more successfully, and let his chipping and putting take over (if he worked on it and got it to a stage where it too was predictable). I think Hank missed a great opportunity to really get Ray scoring well by introducing too many elements and trying to overhaul everything. Because of the drastic changes, I think it's going to a long time for Ray to get comfortable with the new swing, if he ever actually gets there, he'll probably revert to his old swing anyway once Hank stops working with him. @The Truth: Sure, Ray’s swing is inconsistent. My question though is whether it requires a complete overhaul or it can be made to work. There are plenty of good players who have a bit of an over the top move, but they know their ball flight, and they use what they have in plotting their strategy around the course.

Doing a complete overhaul of the swing is a bit counter productive. It takes away from the focus of scoring and it becomes about the swing. It takes a while to get used to a new swing with incremental changes, much longer for whole revamp, and it takes away time from learning to manage the course better and of course improve short game. Ray needs his swing to get to the point where he can be reasonably sure of where his ball is going, then he plot his way around the course more successfully, and let his chipping and putting take over (if he worked on it and got it to a stage where it too was predictable).

I think Hank missed a great opportunity to really get Ray scoring well by introducing too many elements and trying to overhaul everything. Because of the drastic changes, I think it’s going to a long time for Ray to get comfortable with the new swing, if he ever actually gets there, he’ll probably revert to his old swing anyway once Hank stops working with him.

]]> By: The Truth http://www.zenchili.com/2010/03/29/ray-break-80/comment-page-1/#comment-613 The Truth Wed, 31 Mar 2010 03:44:30 +0000 http://www.zenchili.com/?p=1034#comment-613 I understand where this article is coming from... As a single digit handicap player, I'm obsessed with my short game... I regularly spend more time putting and chipping and working on scenarios I may encounter (plugged balls in the bunker, flop shots over bunkers etc.) than I care to admit. And anytime I'm asked at the range for advice I always say 100 yards and in... BUT... Ray's swing is so inconsistent that breaking 80 is impossible without him eliminating those couple of "shanks." Lets be real here haha... Hank Haney knows what he's talking about when it comes to golf... Two things he's really pointed out to Ray that may have gone missed 1. We can't miss the green when we chip (sometimes half the battle is getting on the dance floor) 2. We have to 2 putt every time (minimum) I think you get my point... his current swing is just to destructive to NOT focus on it primarily... once people stop having to worry about the 90 degree rule with Ray THEN his chipping will take him over the edge I understand where this article is coming from… As a single digit handicap player, I’m obsessed with my short game… I regularly spend more time putting and chipping and working on scenarios I may encounter (plugged balls in the bunker, flop shots over bunkers etc.) than I care to admit. And anytime I’m asked at the range for advice I always say 100 yards and in… BUT… Ray’s swing is so inconsistent that breaking 80 is impossible without him eliminating those couple of “shanks.”

Lets be real here haha… Hank Haney knows what he’s talking about when it comes to golf… Two things he’s really pointed out to Ray that may have gone missed
1. We can’t miss the green when we chip (sometimes half the battle is getting on the dance floor)
2. We have to 2 putt every time (minimum)

I think you get my point… his current swing is just to destructive to NOT focus on it primarily… once people stop having to worry about the 90 degree rule with Ray THEN his chipping will take him over the edge

]]> By: elliott http://www.zenchili.com/2010/03/29/ray-break-80/comment-page-1/#comment-609 elliott Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:33:33 +0000 http://www.zenchili.com/?p=1034#comment-609 you're absolutely right. in the first episode haney states that ray's swing speed has the potential to become a scratch player, but that only eludes to full shots as opposed to shots inside 100 yards. haney should focus more of his attention on ray's short game if he wants to help ray break 80. i do think that ray's long game does need work, but not on the account of dismissing the "scoring" aspect of the game. you’re absolutely right. in the first episode haney states that ray’s swing speed has the potential to become a scratch player, but that only eludes to full shots as opposed to shots inside 100 yards. haney should focus more of his attention on ray’s short game if he wants to help ray break 80. i do think that ray’s long game does need work, but not on the account of dismissing the “scoring” aspect of the game.

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